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Jill Carlson, an independent consultant to top crypto projects, host of What Grinds My Gears, and cofounder of Open Money Initiative thinks we should take more walks.

In this conversation, we walk through Jill’s journey of finding herself the right kind of work and, importantly, the right way of working. We talk breaking out of traditional finance into crypto (six months of cold emails) to building up a consulting business, to launching and growing side projects like her podcast, book, and non-profit. This was one of my favorite conversations full of potentially useful mental models that will make you reflect on your own relationship with work.

Find Jill’s work on her personal site and on twitter.

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